Foray in the Forest (demo)

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Re: Foray in the Forest (demo)

Post by Dr.Colossus » Mon Mar 20, 2017 21:39

Nisaba wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2017 21:15
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Not perfect but a bit better
https://www.dropbox.com/s/56215pdxji468q8/Hut.png?dl=0

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Re: Foray in the Forest (demo)

Post by Nisaba » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:36

Dr.Colossus wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2017 21:39
Not perfect but a bit better
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@Dr.Colossus Thanx for the shading. haven't though about that.
I am also a bit worried about the light green leaves in general. they don't seem to fit the rest of the colour theme. I've tweaked around with some darker colours but not to my liking. some dittering might be an idea.
Ceilick wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:43
[...] Re that hut: Outline those leaves in black or dark grey instead of dark green, add some dark green shading to the existing light green, maybe throw in some brown or grey behind the leaves.
The Keen 4 Demo Background-Tileset features these tiles over here. But they are a bit dark, aren't they? maybe planed for an inside of the hut kind of view?!
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and here is the Romero orig. any further ideas are very welcome!
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Re: Foray in the Forest (demo)

Post by Nisaba » Tue Mar 21, 2017 13:45

Roobar wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2017 20:14
For some reason, the browser version is not working. It's showing only "Downloading..." and stays that way.
Yip, this was only some sort of a temporary showcase of a new feature. Commander Spleen hosted the games but had some struggle with the bandwidth. Fleexy was eventually able to implement the js code to the keenwiki server. so we might have a stable solution for this feature soon. check out this thread over here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4025
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looking good
i'll contribute if u give me the tiles and stuff i'd love to do a level for you
thanx. If you don't mind I'd like to borrow the stunned stars from your recent project. You can in fact design a K4 level right away and send over the aslev file. I need to convert some tileset and old but freshly recovered level stuff anyways.
proYorp wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:36
At the moment I think I'm better with tiles than with sprites, but I could still use practice with both.
I'd love to help with this but man there's so many projects I want to contribute to. [...] I think it would be safe to say I can probably do some graphics in April [...]
When I do start to contribute you might want to keep in mind, I'm a perfectionist so any graphics I do may take a lot longer than they probably should.
ok mr perfectionist, you are very welcome to contribute some graphics in April. just let me know and I'll send you the egg-salad-recipe.
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Mon Mar 20, 2017 15:34
Well this is neat.

I like the design and the music, and don't think the music feels out of place like others have suggested. And yeah, as Zilem mentioned, that dancing larva is super-lovely.

I'm not sure if it was latency caused by browser-based DOSBox, me being generally garg at games, or an actual issue, but the number of times I was killed by a nasty jumping at me from outside the screen was embarrassingly high. Also, I made the mistake of following an arc of bottles and landed in spikes - I guess this is a mod for pixel-perfect players? Which is fair enough, it's just pretty unforgiving.

I'm looking forward to playing other levels :)
Do you like to see more little extras like the larva?
I was always fascinated by yawning trees and the slug in the wall. I like the idea of having some eye candy extras...
the blue guy - let's call him Lick - will show a different behavior in the main release! for this demo, it is just a simple replacement. Concering those point items: they are meant to lead you the way. but if they give you a hard time, you might want to beta test this mod later on, so I can fix issues like this. thanks for pointing that out!
A bunch of further levels are in the making.
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Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:43
Great Demo! And I love that you actually used the demo features in the game for demo messages, great touch! Playing this reminds me how much I want to get back to my own Keen work!

For the most part, I felt this was a great medley of familiar graphics from Keen 4 and Dreams, a few from Keen 6 and some all new material. I particularly like the wooden log buildings and all the graphics that integrate them into the world. The biggest drawbacks, I feel, are the point items and the world map graphics for the apple orchard and spud city (hoping these are placeholders?).

I think the level design is good; I played on normal and...died more than I should have, I think I'm just rusty though :dead2 I always felt like I knew where to go though. I also wanted to recognize and appreciate the 'logical' use of the doors; I think doors are the most disorienting feature in Keen games and the use of them in this level made sense.

The world map design, on the other hand, feels crammed and linear. Is this a placeholder to showoff graphics?

I agree with Roobar's assessment of the music too; the world map is a great rendition of the classic, but the BwB level feels off, and the outpost level song, while good, doesn't feel like it fits the setting (it feels more keen 6 to me).

Re that hut: Outline those leaves in black or dark grey instead of dark green, add some dark green shading to the existing light green, maybe throw in some brown or grey behind the leaves.

Great progress, keep going!
The great Ceilick. I need to thank you for your modding tutorial on the Keen Wiki. without it, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing!
And I love to hear that I could actually "push" you and your modding plans. Sign of the Vool is personally my number one most sought-after mod. So be warned, you better protect your files cause I might wanna take them over.
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please tell me more about the point items. constructive criticism is always very much appreciated. what are your recommendations? please share your modding knowledge!
but the world map is indeed more like placeholder. remember: this demo is really just a taste of what's to come. so there are a lot of placeholders. nevertheless I'd like to know what's your concern about the apple orchard and spud city?

I agree with your assessment of the music too, but I'd love to keep all of these tracks. But not in the way they are presented. The BwB song needs to be remixed. It is a ripoff from the Keen 4 Demo version. K1n9_Duk3 exctrated them for me (thanx again!). There is also an Oasis track which needs some tweaking. but unfortunately I have no experience when it comes to composing midis & imfs. So I'm looking for someone competent (next to Mr M) who could contribute one remix or two. Or someone who can point out some useful tools.


@Roobar @Ceilick: I've just updated the download link. The Outpost now features a new track, freshly recovered by Mr. M. let me know what you think!
btw.: have you discovered the teddy bears? every level (well only two by now) feature one hidden teddy... just saying.
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Re: Foray in the Forest (demo)

Post by Zilem » Tue Mar 21, 2017 13:55

Nisaba wrote:
Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:36
I am also a bit worried about the light green leaves in general. they don't seem to fit the rest of the colour theme. I've tweaked around with some darker colours but not to my liking. some dittering might be an idea.

The Keen 4 Demo Background-Tileset features these tiles over here. But they are a bit dark, aren't they? maybe planed for an inside of the hut kind of view?!
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I like the tweak Dr. Colossus did to the wood work.
but the thing i don't think that look right is the leaves, that they kind of meld together...
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So i made this quick yesterday, which makes each leaves standout from one another.
But it still looks like the leaves could use some shading, and the center area of the leave be black or dark gray, and then use the dark green to shade the leaves.

Romero's look great. but due it is shaded, it look more like the far background instead of the background right behind the player
(background you could stand on, if you jumped above it )

and Yes. The dark tiles, looks they are meant to the inside of the hut. or used at night
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Re: Foray in the Forest (demo)

Post by Roobar » Tue Mar 21, 2017 16:33

There. I've fxdt it 4 u:

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Re: Foray in the Forest (demo)

Post by Ceilick » Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:10

And I love to hear that I could actually "push" you and your modding plans.
Well, I opened the folder :o And I'm actively thinking about it! That's...something :dopefish
The Keen 4 Demo Background-Tileset features these tiles over here. But they are a bit dark, aren't they? maybe planed for an inside of the hut kind of view?!
I think that's what a lot of us who have worked with those tiles believe. If you haven't checked out Netkeen for Keen 4, some of those levels feature these tiles.

Re the Hut: Zilem's example is exactly the direction to go in my opinion. The outlined leaves really bring the house 'forward' in perspective. If you prefer a more subdued presence, perhaps exchanging some of the black outlines for dark grey, or a mix of both. Additionally, I would suggest shading the spine of the leaves with some black or dark grey, and perhaps more dark green dithering (more on the left side than the right). Additionally, I think it would help make the hut look more natural if some of the leaves overlap the wooden poles.

Re the point items, and really it applies to the apple orchard and spud city graphics as well, they feel too ripped. I realize the nature of the mod is to use familiar graphics, and indeed the Keen dreams wooden platform set is here and doesn't have that feeling (for me). But when I see several of the point items or those level entrances my first response is "Hey, those are from Keen Dreams, what are they doing here, they don't belong here". If you're determined to include them or feel they fit well, I suggest editing them further, make them feel more new and different. This applies less to graphics that are ripped from Keen 4. ALSO the green soda clashes with the environment a lot, and green soda is Bloog Soda :p

I'll comment on music when I get a chance to play again, and maybe draw up some helpful examples for the hut, points, and level entrances.

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Re: Foray in the Forest (demo)

Post by szemi » Sat May 27, 2017 10:24

Well, I see picked up this project instead of me, which absolutely no problem, because you refreshed the mod itself better that I wanted to (at that time when I wanted to pick it up concretely, if you get what I mean).

I mean you have put in tiles that are better than my ideas. That's how I mean. :)


Also are contributions allowed in FiF, Nisaba?
Yeah, piece of cake!

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